Prius adventures, a year later
It’s time to write more about my adventures. I’ve been traveling and living in my car for nearly a year now, mostly full-time (excluding hotels on infrequent business trips, occasional friends’ couches, or AirBnB a few times I was sick or wanted a home). I’d love to share what I’ve learned over the past year.
Here’s how a typical conversation with someone who just learned I’m living in my car goes:
You live in that?
Yes I do. I think I need to start from the beginning.
About a year ago I wasn’t in a very good place emotionally. I’ve been going through a divorce, my dream company declined my job application (spoiler: I got the job this year, yay), and my landlord decided that 12 tiny houses on a property isn’t enough and it’s time to kick everyone out to build a more dense apartment complex. I didn’t do much outside of going to work and sleeping.
I think I saw an opportunity to do something drastic with my life, and I decided to take a leap of faith. I gave away everything I couldn’t fit in the back of the car, and set on a road trip across continental United States (after spending a month doing test drives and adjusting my setup dozens of times).
The experience turned out to be more enjoyable than having a house.
How do you even fit in there?!
Everyone I talk to thinks the space is really cramped up, and I have to sleep curled into a ball in the trunk (or something along those lines).
I’m 5’11”, and I have a flat twin-width bed in that’s around 7 feet long (it’s been awhile since I measured). I sleep on an inflatable pad wrapped in a sleeping bag, on top of another sleeping bag all wrapped in a silk sleeping bag cover - my composite mattress is about 3 inches thick. I use regular blankets and pillows, adding or removing a few depending on the temperature outside.
It’s one of the most comfortable beds I’ve ever slept on.
Poor soul, want to crash on my couch?
This is an offer I get as soon as somebody learns I’m living in a car (it’s right up there with “You must be saving so much money not paying rent!”). Most people are really nice, and offer a place to stay. I think it stems from an understandable notion that one probably would only live in a car because of being in a bad situation.
Oddly enough I really enjoy the lifestyle, and I always reject the offers (always appreciate them though). Sometimes I contemplate getting a small RV or a van, but I’m way to attached to air conditioning on demand and 50 mpg on the highway. But I probably won’t need to crash on your couch.
I think the TL;DR here is that majority of people are really nice, once you get out and get to interact with them enough.
Why on Earth are you still living in a car?
There’s more than one reason at this point. Part of it is that it has become a habit now. The biggest reason is probably all the fun things it has forced me to do.
I’ve met a lot of cool people, tried out so many things I would’ve never considered trying, and found exciting hobbies I would’ve never had otherwise. I’m also now in a great shape physically since I usually have to hit up the gym to shower.
It also made me confront my inner demons, since car living tends to consistently provide me with time to be alone with my thoughts - be it driving somewhere, or falling asleep in an area where I wouldn’t want to use electronics. I feel more in tune with myself, and I can close my eyes without being afraid of stream of thoughts keeping me awake at night.
That’s cool! What else is inside?
The front
I try to keep driver’s seat and front passenger seat area clean and empty, with storing some low key items in passenger seat leg space – portable 12V vacuum, water jug, water boiler/thermos.
The front seats are separated from the back by a dark curtain. Unless you shine a (powerful) flashlight inside a car it’s almost impossible to tell the curtain is there.
The back
One of the passenger seats is lowered to make a bed. The bed is extended with a wooden panel specifically made for this purpose which creates a flat surface about 7 foot long. A mattress with a blanket and some throws creates /a nice homey look.
Under the bed is “the basement” – large clear container where I store winter clothes and things I rarely use. If I’m camping extra water jugs go here as well. And some bicycle maintenance stuff, and extra pairs of shoes.
I use the other rear passenger seat as my primary relaxing area when I’m inside the car. There’s a little trashcan stuck to the floor in between the seats.
Cargo and the bike
There’s an old suitcase I use for organizing various cooking and camping supplies. It’s split into nine compartments by some separators I’ve put together. This is where I have some freeze dried veggies, spices, grains and pasta, cooking oils, camping pots and pans, equipment for cleaning the dishes, etc. On top of the suitcase is a backpack where I keep clothes. There’s also a propane burner, camping table and a chair, as well as a toiletry kit. Dirty laundry goes in a dry bag.
I also have a bike strapped to the outside of the car, exploring places by bike after arriving to a new city is very rewarding!
Isn’t it dangerous?
You often read stories of people suffocating in their own cars, and it’s something to be aware of. There are a few rules I follow to be safe, and there are three main dangers here:
- Carbon monoxide poisoning.
- Carbon dioxide poisoning.
- Extreme temperatures.
I sleep with carbon monoxide alarm not far from my head, and my car is a hybrid – meaning it only turns itself on once in a while when batteries need to be recharged. Sometimes I sleep with my car on, and sometimes not. The alarm never went off so far (it works, I check regularly).
Carbon dioxide (stuff you exhale) poisoning is not a silent killer (unlike carbon monoxide), humans are pretty good at detecting high concentration of CO2 – panic attack on par with a headache are a rather clear sign of this happening. I keep windows cracked open most of the time, plus my AC is often on.
I love sleeping at low temperatures (50-60F is my comfort zone for snuggling up under a blanket), but if local forecast suggests the temperature will drop below 50F at night - I make sure to sleep with AC on. If it’s below freezing - I roll up the windows, otherwise I still keep them cracked open a little.
And if it’s really cold and I don’t want to run AC all night, or I just feel like I want to stay inside for a bit - I can just get AirBnB for a couple of nights. Speaking of, by pure chance I stayed at Gayle Laakmann McDowell’s guest house few weeks ago, and I left with great memories and a signed copy of Cracking the Code Interview. Bonus point for meeting cool people.
How does Prius AC work anyway?
This question pops up often enough to address here (along with condensation concerns from seasoned vandwellers).
It’s a hybrid with two electric motors assisting the internal combustion engine. The electric motors power up from a ~1.3 kWh battery, which is recharged using the engine and regenerative brakes. That battery is connected to the 12V battery, and as long as there’s gas in the car – both batteries will be charged. In practice, if the car isn’t moving, engine turns on every half an hour or so for a little under a minute to recharge the batteries.
This allows one to keep the car on and use the AC throughout the night. AC also keeps the moisture level at bay, preventing condensation. I also noticed that when I don’t use the AC cracked windows help with condensation (I have rain guards for stealth and keeping the rain out).
Um, how do you do bathroom stuff?
If we’re talking about changing - there’s plenty of space in the back of the car to change.
For hygiene - I use gym showers (I take quite a lot of classes), or wet wipes if I’m out camping or shower is otherwise unavailable. I’m now kind of an expert on all sorts of wipes. Any restroom works for brushing my teeth at night, and in US it’s very difficult not to be within the vicinity of a public bathroom.
Where do you park at night?
Rest stops are the best when I travel, since everyone on a rest stop is just resting/sleeping in their car.
There are so many places to park: since this is just a passenger car, anywhere where cars can park is good. Usually somewhere with either a lot of foot traffic (or the exact opposite). Parking lots of 24/7 business, residential areas, anywhere and anytime.
What do your friends and coworkers say?
Most colleagues and acquaintances don’t know, since it’s not really a topic that pops up during a normal conversation. I go to work and social events well groomed, with clean clothes, and (I’d like to think) demonstrating a sense of style.
Few friends and colleagues that do know that I live in the car don’t see it as anything out of the ordinary (past the initial shock of course). I can’t remember the last time conversation got stirred towards car living with any of my close friends. A few are rather jealous but reluctant to make the move. I try not to preach.
My love life surprisingly didn’t suffer. Maybe it’s because I tend to pursue women just as odd as me, but me living in a car didn’t have any negative effects, and even got me a date or two. If someone doesn’t want to go out with you because of living arrangements - they would probably not make a good partner in a long run.
Do strangers bother you?
When you observe people you start noticing how much everyone’s concerned with what people think of them. In fact, most people so concerned with themselves - that they don’t look around. Encounters with people who notice I live in a car are nearly non-existent. Nobody cares to look inside one of the hundred cars in a parking lot or parked on the side of the street.
I’ve had a few rather friendly encounters with parking lot security, with people usually just demonstrating concern. Until I share my setup that is, then concern is often replacement with mild jealousy.
Most encounters with strangers approaching me happen at rest stops, since I usually don’t hide much – there are enough misfits and travelers. Every encounter like that I’ve had was positive, with people commenting on how amazing my setup is, how they wished they could do a similar thing, or sharing a story about their own travels.
How do you not go crazy?
This is where the fun part starts. You see, the thing about living in the car is how boring it is. There’s really not much you can do in a confined space. So I have to get out of my way to entertain myself.
I take a lot of classes like various martial arts or archery. I tried miniature painting, rock climbing, long distance cycling. There are numerous things I’m “forced” to do in order to keep myself entertained.
There are a lot of things I do inside the car too. Writing or coding (even though I prefer coffee shops), rare indulgence in video games (I recently picked up a gaming laptop for this), guitalele (it’s a ukulele-sized guitar), reading. Drawing, keeping a journal, or just relaxing.
And of course there are people. When I travel I end up meeting a lot of different people. I often get invited to join somebody at a campsite, and we’d cook a meal together or share some stories. Or somebody sitting next to me in a coffee shop works in the same industry and we grab lunch to mingle and share interesting ideas. Wherever I go I get lucky enough to make friends for a couple of minutes, hours, days, and sometimes months.
What’s next for you?
For now, I’m used to living in a car. I sometimes pop by AirBnBs or friends’ places for a couple of days, but I wouldn’t say I enjoy being tied down to a single location for a long period of time.
I’m contemplating getting an RV to be able to stand up inside and have more room and privacy, but potential difficulties with air conditioning at night, atrocious gas mileage, and inefficient and noisy generators for my power usage are a concern of mine.
Once in a while I contemplate getting myself an apartment. Since it’s now winter I end up staying in AirBnBs more often, but I feel like having a place to call home makes it harder for me to a fight a lazy person inside me. I like when that person is forced to learn, explore, and create.
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Awesome setup! Have you considered a Prius V for this purpose?
This is very cool. I have respect for someone that follows their own path like you do. My son has a small RV that he lives in so that is how I got linked to you. Keep believing in yourself. You are awesome.
Thanks, hearing this means a lot to me!
Thank you so much, things like this are fantastic to hear! Best of luck to your son!
Hi! I haven't seriously considered it since I already had my regular sized car -- didn't have to buy a new one to live in it. I think if I was out on the market - I would get a Prius V.
What do you do for work? This is an awesome life style I want to get into, but my trouble is finding a career that lets me be on the go. Very cool minimalist setup!
Thanks! I'm a software engineer, and the job allows being remote a lot - I think that really helps. Plus the job is fun, love it.
This is awesome. I'd love to have the freedom to do something like this. In terms of RVs, there are options to get lithium batteries with large inverters to run AC, but you'd be hard pressed to run the AC all night long. Roadtrek is a big class B van maker that does a lot of cool stuff with lithium, second alternators that act as a generator and automatic starters to charge the lithium batteries, but I find their floorplans leave a lot to be desired as to the quality of the builds. Winnebago Travato 59G is the class B I'm hoping to purchase next year because it has a great floor plan, but REALLY lacks in the electrical department. You can do a lot of upgrades yourself, (add lithium and an inverter) but the autostart of the roadtrek is really nice if you want to run the AC at night and not worry about it. The new Hymer Aktiv has a similar layout to the travato, and has roadtrek's tech, but the build quality is about the same as roadtrek.
Oh wow, this is a lot of useful information. I'll look through this info!
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Since you are a programmer, you should have geo-locational freedom. If that is the case, I recommend being homeneedless (tm) in a place with good climate, such as SoCal or Hawaii.
I'm pretty happy staying in San Francisco Bay, really helps with networking, and the weather is nice. But I can imagine how much fun it would be to stay in Hawaii.
I have now been to Hawaii twice in less than a year. It is paradise.
Could you talk about the feel (vibration or whatever) when the car automatically cycles on to run the AC/heat at night?
How about the vibration/noise while the car is running before it shuts off?
Also, how many times per hour does that occur?
It's not really a problem, not that I can tell. The motor is very quiet and while definitely detectable, is not annoying. It's only a slight vibration, and not a lot of noise - not unlike with most gas only cars.
The engine kicks on for 1-2 minutes every half an hour. Never bothered me, but I guess that's personal.
Hi, the black material on your windows that you have doodles on, what is it? I'm currently converting my car into a camper and trying to add privacy and warmth whilst having something to draw on would be great!
It's just cardboard I picked up Staples - I cut it to a proper shape, and then draw with white markers (blackboard markers) on it.
This is a great journey and experience you have documented. I have one question - do you leave your prius on ACC or ON ? Any "adverse effects" on the battery so far ?
I'm glad you liked it! It's on, it'll turn off with ACC in a few hours -- not fun. No issues with battery as of yet.
If you have to do it all over again, what are your thoughts on a minivan instead of a prius
I think I would definitely consider the minivan. More space inside of course would be nicer, but might make stealth a tiny bit more difficult.
Have you thought about installing a 1000W Inverter to the rear battery? There is someone who has a video about doing that. Sorry, don't have the site address but it's on U-Tube somewhere..
I have, but I'm not skilled enough to do it, and no shops wanted to do the work and take the risk.
Bob Wells YT channel will get you in touch with people he has another called cheap rv living. That or go to GREEN TECH AUTO I bet they would tackle that they work on hybrid batteries. CA has the best people to install Prius stuff they have guys that will rig your car up with solar. I wonder if somebody got a trailer and had over 1200 watts would they be able to tour the nation using only solar?
I saw a smart guy that I got to meet at the RTR BTW there were over 15 prius there at the 2017 RTR. They had a section for schoolies I kind of wish they would segregate vehicles by type. Hybrids , boon-dockers, urban campers etc. OK back to my comment. The guy I saw was a fireman and he cut the perfect little table that he could use on the door when open it was ideal since he could flip it and use it on the other door. REAR DOOR ONLY . So when he was outside cooking he could have a nice solid table. Sure Prius is not your ideal car to take out into the desert like that I had difficulty getting into the zone when I got there they had graded the road and left a nice hill in the way to get in but we all took hand tools out there and chopped that down. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
You have me a bit concerned about winter-living in the prius. You said you've stayed in airbnb's, etc. Have you made it through a full winter in your car? I'm here in TN and though our winters these past 2 years have been QUITE mild compared to previous years, it can get down to -5-10 on rare occasion. Below freezing on the regular in Feb and we can get a fair amount of snow between October-Feb (or even later). I was going to get an RV, but that would require me to move to a RV park and pay "rent" there and still have to drive my other car to work vs get the prius that would allow for stealth and have the luxury of ac/heat. Thoughts?
I used AirBnBs out of convenience mostly - I had less outdoorsy stuff to do, so I'd just get an AirBnB and play video games or something along those lines. But that wasn't due to low temperatures - I stayed in AirBnBs in California, during maybe ~50F at night weather. So not really winter.
I did travel to colder climates (as low as -10F I believe, don't quote me on that though), and spent a few weeks sleeping in the car -- it was just as convenient as usual. AC has to be on throughout the night, expect your car to be powered on a lot. CO2 sensor becomes even more important. And no alcohol any time close to sleeping - risk not feeling the cold if your AC's not set up properly/run out of gas/any kind of emergency really. I found it pretty comfortable, and definitely sustainable.
Thanks for the quick response! That gives me some relief. If I still have your eyes, is there anything you would change from your 1st blog post a year ago? I'm pretty much going to REI down the street like you did and buy what you're using, so if you would suggest a different approach now that you have a lot of time behind you, I'd love to read it! (for instance, do I need like a small goal zero to charge my macbook, or does the prius have a 110v outlet?, etc.)
I think everything still applies, not too much changed. No need for a goal zero, all you need is an inverter from DC to AC (don't go higher than 120 or 160W - don't remember the number, you'll have to check once you get the car). Was enough to charge my MacBook. Other than that - stuff to sleep on (I'd swap out sleeping bags for a few folded blankets -- those are significantly cheaper and perform the same function, probably even better), blankets, stuff to cook and a mini fridge (if you're into that), stuff to cover windows (reflective cutouts, black cardboard cutouts, black fabric curtains - I've had all of those at different times, and anything goes really). Getting the windows tinted and installing rain guards helps a lot with privacy (with rain guards it's nice to have windows rolled down without it looking like it). Nice thing with REI membership is one can swap out different pieces of setup to try for a day or two - I took out and returned a few dozen items at least (I tried a few different low tiny tables for instance, none really worked well). Good luck!
Awesome, thanks again. I picked up the 4" tri-fold mattress off amazon. Already had a sleep pad (to provide some support). Have a sleeping bag, but I agree w/ you on the comfort and function of a good set of blankets/sheet/down, etc. So will go that route. I'm going w/ the Prius V and will be getting a complete window tint job to include the front window (UV protectant entire windshield w/ dark visor strip), but will still go w/ the window coverings. Really my only thing is finding a small (comfortable) chair table (like you have found) that will be easily storable.
Thanks again for the time you've put into the write-ups and reply. I'm about to go on a FIRE (reddit Personal Finance) trip like you did and really ramp up my retirement and overall investment portfolios.
Can't wait!
Great post! I look forward to more of your future Prius/traveling posts! What are you using to strap your laptop in to your back seat?
I was thinking it would be great to have a holder for my laptop/phone so it's at eye level, then I could use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse on my lap using some kind of board.
That's what I did with keyboard & mouse on my lap (used a very thick piece of cardboard since it's lighter than wood).
It's a surprisingly stable contraption which sound overcomplicated and flimsy. First - in some pictures you can see a green bungee cord with hooks on it's ends wrapped around the headrest base. I unhook one of the hooks so a few inches of the bungee cords is hanging.
Then I take one of those adjustable straps (webbing straps I believe they're called), hook them through the hook (there's usually a small opening at the end of the strap where hook goes through, wrap the top of the straps around the headrest, and anchor straps on both sides of the laptop (corners facing you, you can see that on the picture). Tighten the strap to fit screen width. Whole contraption is stable due to tension.
This works for laptops under ~15 inches, if you have a larger or heavier laptop (gaming for instance) - just remove the headrest, place laptop instead - weight of the laptop makes it stable enough to work.
Good tips. Does the webbing strap have buckles for tightening. Something kind of like this maybe?: http://www.homedepot.com/p/...
Yes, just something thinner and lighter. REI sells webbing straps I believe.
Ruslan, two questions:
1) Have you ever considered adding some kind of webbing/netting to the ceiling to use as storage for clothes and the like? It seems like that would be a good way to increase the storage capacity. Obviously you can't just stack bags too high or they'll fall over into the back passenger seat. But if you had secondary storage on the ceiling in the back, maybe that would be worth pursuing?
2) I'm very worried about creating a strong division between the front seats and the back with the use of a curtain. I don't like the idea of using strings because as there are some gaps that would let the light through. Have you given any consideration to using something like magnetic tape which you could tape directly to the headliner? You could then use steel pieces attracted to magnets and fit the curtains in between the tape and the steel pieces. The downside with this is maybe the tape would damage the headliner. I don't know. Do you know if there is a way to attach a piece of metal directly to the headliner without damaging it? Then very strong magnets could be used to attach the curtain to the steel.
Just brainstorming!
Hey Anna Belle,
Full disclosure - I'm taking a break from adventuring in a Prius and have a small studio to myself, so there isn't a lot of improvement on this setup. I still use the car for camping trips and cherish the memories car living brought. I'll post an update sometime next month and ping you on disqus with a link!
1) I didn't pursue it since I had quite a bit of interest in minimalistic setup - I tried to have the least amount of stuff possible, plus I was a little worried of looking like a hoarder with all the stuff in my car haha. But I don't see why this couldn't work. I bet it would.
2) In my experience the gap near the headliner was not big enough to let a lot of light through (because of the angle people look at the car (higher angle) the light is not visible. I've seen a few people online use velcro to attach right to a headliner fabric, that sounds like a non-damaging option...
Kind of a cool idea with magnets though.
Curious what year is your Prius? I'm about to buy a new used car, currently to use for work and getting around then in 1.5 years time, be a gypsy.
Hey Gina, mine is 2014 Prius (Gen III), and I see people have a great time with earlier models as well!
Thanks!
Great post! I'm slowly preparing my family for a time in the not-too-distant-future when I may do this as well. :-) I wondered, do you work remotely as a programmer (if you don't mind sharing)? I am learning to code and think it could be ideal for the mobile lifestyle if one could find the right employer/opportunity. Thanks again for all the info you shared!
Hey Nat, yes - I do write code for a living! Being able to work remotely made this whole trip a lot easier for me. Best of luck!
Hey Ruslan, will you still run the air conditioning when you’re in stealth mode and not in a rest area? I would be concerned that could attract attention. Cheers
Hey Adam! I don't run AC when I'm in stealth mode. Window rain guards really help here against it feeling stuffy, but if it's not warm enough - I do opt in for non-stealth somewhere in rest areas or lots where it's okay to have a car running.
I can empathize greatly with needing a push to leave the comforts of home (I say on my bed watching Psych and snuggling with the pup). I'm interested in this as a motivation to get out there!
Do you think any of your comfort is because you are male? Do you know females/ female presenting folks who do this too?
Online, I know Suanne lives out of her Prius. https://suanneonline.blogsp... There might be a few more, but I'm not sure what the search queries would be. In personal experience, I know a few women who lived/traveled in their cars (one in a Prius). They seemed to have a similar experience to mine, but I never pressed for information on a subject.
Just thinking about it, I bet there are differences, but it's unlikely that the differences are significant enough to be a deal breaker. Safety-wise, I traveled with an emphasis on stealth and not being seen as someone who stayed in their car, and if nobody sees you sleeping in your car at night - gender doesn't really play a difference here. For bodily functions, I know there are some solutions which are advertised to women in particular. Let me know if you're running into trouble finding people who did this.
What made you stop Prius dwelling?
Love :) We still occasionally travel and stay in a Prius, but I enjoy living in a house with my SO for now.
Where did you buy the bike rack? It looks smaller (nicer) than some of the ones I've seen online, not to mention it clearly works well :)
Hey Crystal - it's this one -- https://amzn.to/2lpawp0 (Hollywood Racks) -- I've had it for 3 years and it's still holding up well. I think the key with any rack is to manage the straps and not let them hang loose - otherwise the rack tends to look a bit untidy.
The Winnebago Revel is all set up for off-grid (including solar-fed battery packs that will run an induction cooking element) and winterized tanks for year-round living). Pricey, but if it's your home and you can afford it, there's not much better out there. The real clincher is the hydraulic lift bed that in raised position reveals a wide 'garage' for bikes etc. All in a Class B van size (based on Sprinter platform).
I may have missed it, but did you have a DC cooler/fridge for your food? If so, what model? And did you have a solar battery pack like Jackery 240/500/1000?
Dude you are a fucking legend.
Hi, quick question: The heater do a good work even in extreme winter? I mean, you can be comfortable inside even if outside is snowing? Thanks
Hey, yes it did - I didn't try it in extreme winter (I don't think the weather ever dropped under 0F during my travels), but it kept me comfortably warm.